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Wednesday, February 21st, 2024 at 1:03 pm #14610John LincolnParticipant
Folks, The board has studied the use of certain ships in our fleet vs the cost of keeping said ship. The first to draw the most attention is the 1-26C. Due to the low usage the board has decided to sell it and is offering it to the general membership first before advertising it to the general public. This ship is in very nice condition as you know. It will come with all the instruments that are currently installed and will also include the trailer that it presently is stored on. You are invited to stop by the hangar and have another look at the ship if you are interested. The club is asking $8,500 for the complete package. It is our hope that one of our members will want to have this ship and fly it more than it has been flown so far. Sincerely, John Lincoln
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Wednesday, February 21st, 2024 at 7:22 pm #14611Rich WalendaParticipant
Hello:
Recently, we have had some posts about glider camp and getting people out to soar cross country. I understand that this 1-26C may be under utilized but can that situation be reversed? Perhaps if CFIs move some students to flying in the 1-26C it may be used more. Perhaps if we set up small soaring contests/camps/training/flying at 55LL we could get more members up in all of the single place ships on the weekends. Perhaps on good days we automatically pull out a 1-26 onto the line so anyone stopping by can fly it – instead of using the “rule of easy” in which they just go up in whatever glider is already out on the line such as a 2-33 or the Krosno. Can we get a list of each glider and the associated individual glider insurance cost? Are there 2 or 3 people willing to donate some $ for the insurance of that glider to keep it in the fleet if the insurance is not affordable for the club? Unless we are in dire financial straits do we need to immediately sell the 1-26C?
Currently, the club has a few groupings of members. There are members who own their personal glider and never would fly the 1-26C. (Maybe a conflict of interest for them to vote to sell if they are never using it. I could make the argument to sell the tractor since I never use it.) The other group is students who have never flown a 1-26. Then there are the rest of us who occasionally have flown that glider. Yes, I fall into the “rule of easy” group when I sometimes just fly the 2-33 or something else because I do not want to go through all of the effort to untie a 1-26 for just one flight and no one will use it after me. If we are encouraging longer soaring flights then why would we want to get rid of a simple single place glider? Why are we reducing our fleet of relatively low cost to maintain gliders? As a club should we always be on the hunt to sell something and then buy something else?
Perhaps we should rethink the decision of placing a “For Sale” sign on that glider until we figure out what the club wants or needs the cash for. Are there club members willing to fly more often, including the 1-26C? If so, please step up and fly it. Your thoughts? Peace.
Regards,
Rich
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Thursday, February 22nd, 2024 at 10:19 am #14612Dennis BurkeParticipant
<div>On Rich’s thoughts, I would have loved to fly more in 39E and 82H , but another knee failure (left) messed up my remainder 2023 soaring wishes. Same thing happened to me for last half of 2022 season.</div>
<div dir=”auto”>Maybe I’m wrong, but my understanding is there is no hull insurance for these 2, so it can’t be an insurance cost steering a sale.</div>
<div dir=”auto”>That “rule of Easy” mentioned will get modified to “Less than easy” for the Club fleet, having the new tie-down locations near midfield. DB</div> -
Thursday, February 22nd, 2024 at 11:15 am #14613John LincolnParticipant
Rich, Denny and others,
The cross country camp idea is a nice idea but we have the Proving Grounds cross country training aid in the club and there hasn’t been much, (any) interest in it. So I dismiss cross country training as a reason the 1-26C is underutilized. The 1-26C had been in the hangar and then tied down no farther than most of the other ship so I’m not sure that ease of access to the “C” is an issue either. Getting the “C” out probably is an issue if no one else is likely to fly it later. And we do have a 1-26 that has been closer to the line than the “C” which also has had an effect.
I don’t believe being farther away next year will be as big an issue as I think I’m hearing because I have always seen us use a golf cart to get any ship out from it’s tie down location to the line. Yes it will take a few minutes longer but not an egregious amount of extra time.
Cost. Liability insurance per single place ship is $700, Annuals for single place ships is $250. There are also some maintenance charges too. The “C” had 4 flights last year. The club is covering $237.50 per flight to keep this ship in the fleet.
I have not flown the “C” and only flown the other 1-26 once or twice and that before I bought my Ventus. That said I am also sensitive to the clubs needs for aircraft. I do believe that having plenty of aircraft available for our members is very important. That said if the utilization is as low as it has been it is abundantly clear to me that we have more ship than we have a need for. (At least at this time.)
The board has more responsibilities than just having ships available for the members. Looking out for the long term viability of the club’s finances is also our responsibility. Keeping more ships than are utilized isn’t prudent from the financial point of view. While the club has plenty of cash as of today we are running in the red and are always looking for ways to reduce the negative cash flow. There is already a 1-26 in the club so having two seems excessive to me and the board.
Finally the board has concerns about the Krosno and is looking to replace it. Having more cash will make that process a bit easier.
Sincerely,
John Lincoln
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Thursday, February 22nd, 2024 at 6:49 pm #14614Rich WalendaParticipant
Hello:
Thank you for the cost breakdown of insurance for the single place ships. It appears that we need to increase the use of all of the single place gliders for 2024. Maybe we can have a chart that shows the number of flights in each glider on the wall so we can know at a glance if any are under used.
I know very little about the Proving Grounds Cross Country training. I do not even know where it is set up in our hangar. If it is in our small office then that is not an ideal area for training. Perhaps a little advertising and coaching with Proving Grounds may help the club.
I appreciate all of the work that our board does. Unfortunately, my employment situation does not allow me to be on any boards or else I would run to help out. In 2025, I will be free of those encumbrances and will also have free time to assist.
I am sorry to hear about the Krosno. I have only flown it a few times. Again, the rule of easy intervened and if a 2-33 was free I took a flight in it instead of untying the Krosno for flights. Can the membership get an update as to its status and possible future?
Thanks again for the reply and work that you do.
For the membership: lets fly as often as possible. We need to get operations together and maybe even share the costs of flying the 2 seat gliders so more members get up in the air more often.
Peace,
Rich
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Wednesday, March 13th, 2024 at 12:53 pm #14666Don GrilloKeymaster
Sky Soaring Members,
Just wanted to bring up that our Schweitzer 1-26C will go up for sale to the general public in early April. This is your opportunity to own a classic glider that is in fully restored condition. It has had a number of modifications to it making it a much better glider than when it was originally manufactured by Schweitzer. The glider also comes with a custom trailer making it easy for you to transport and store the glider during the winter months. Don’t miss out on this discounted price that is offered to club members only. The price once it goes to the open market will be several thousand more than the low member price.Contact Don Grillo for more information on this great opportunity to own this classic.
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Wednesday, March 13th, 2024 at 1:27 pm #14669Michael PalmerParticipant
Don, perhaps my reply to this thread and Rich’s comments in particular were not submitted correctly, but I cannot find my response from 2/21. In any case, I would like to know which 1-26 is for sale, do you have the N number? Is it currently in the hangar to view, and is the trailer one I can identify to look over? How can I learn what mods were done that make it better? It seems that if it is listed for sale in April there will be much more information about it than is available at the moment, which I understand is part of why it is less expensive if the work of posting it is not required, but info is pretty thin at this point.
I would put in one final plug for the fact that off the top of my head we have me, Trigg, Brynn, DJ, and Lauren at a minimum looking for solos all summer. Looking forward to learning more and coming down to take a look, Mike
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Monday, April 1st, 2024 at 10:09 am #14708Rich WalendaParticipant
Hello:
Is anyone interested in making a small group to purchase this glider and keep it at Sky Soaring? It would almost be a crime to let it leave the club.
Regards,
Rich
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